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Inmigración: ¿Quién llegó primero y quién después?
Rolando Lahera para Aol Latino Noticias,
Posted: 2010-04-20 11:17:04
Filed Under: Inmigración, Latino_noticias_pagina_principal

WASHINGTON – Cada día se escuchan nuevos temas sobre la inmigración y se habla de inmigrantes una y otra vez, de indocumentados, de derechos y de deberes, pero aquí no debe hablarse de inmigrantes sino de quién llegó primero y quién después, por que todos los que vivimos en Estados Unidos, ciudadanos, residentes o indocumentados, somos inmigrantes, por supuesto, menos los indios nativos que ya quedan poco. Además, están recluidos en su mayoría en reservaciones y se les permite administrar casinos de juegos, prohibidos en muchos estados, como compensación por las tierras que les quitaron.

Y si hablamos de quién llegó primero y quién después, hay que ser justos. Cuando llegaron los “pilgrims” en el Mayflower por la costa Este, aquí en lo que es el territorio de Estados Unidos ya estaban los mexicanos, en California, Texas, Arizona, Nuevo México y otras tierras que cuando ese entonces eran todavía mexicanas. Y en Florida estaban los españoles.

O sea que si soy bisnieto o tataranieto de un mexicano que nació y vivió en California antes de que ese territorio fuera un estado norteamericano o soy descendiente de un español que nació en Florida, cuando aun no era propiedad estadounidense ni un estado de ese país, me podría preguntar si no son mas inmigrantes que yo los que vinieron en el Mayflower o después.

Muchos mexicanos que emigran ahora a Estados Unidos a lo mejor tienen por ahí un pariente que nació en Texas y entonces el que es descendiente de ingleses, que nacieron además en Inglaterra antes de emigran a Estados Unidos, le llama al mexicano indocumentado y se molesta por que esta emigrando al país que el descendiente de ingleses afirma que es suyo, sin saber que cuando sus tatarabuelos estaban aun en Inglaterra, ya los tatarabuelos del mexicano vivían aquí.

O sea que debiéramos pensar bien a la hora de definir quien es inmigrante o al menos no ser tan discriminatorio a la hora de definir a unos y otros.

Las leyes de inmigración y, no solo en Estados Unidos son caprichosas. En Alemania hasta hace poco afirmaban estas leyes que alemán era el que tenia sangre alemana o sea que si tu tatarabuelo emigro a China, a México o a Rusia, tu eres alemán aunque no sepas ni donde queda Alemania y ni sepas decir Buenos Dias en la lengua de Goethe. Mientras que si tu familia era de otra parte y tu habías nacido y te habías criado en Alemania no eras alemán. En el caso de los turcos, la mayor cantidad de inmigrantes en tierras germanas, hay hasta tres generaciones de nacidos en el país que no son ciudadanos alemanes.

Afortunadamente en esa nación ya las leyes de inmigración están cambiando.

Pero aquí en Estados Unidos por ejemplo, y hablo de casos que conozco, es diferente pues se basan en el lugar de nacimiento, aunque no siempre, así que un amigo cubano, hijo de padre y madre cubanos, que eran diplomáticos, nació en Colombia y no pudo aprovechar los beneficios de la Ley de Ajuste Cubano, que establece que es cubano el que nace en Cuba.

A la inversa le ocurrió a una amiga china-cubana nacida en Cuba, pero con ambos padres chinos. Debido a regulaciones especiales sobre China, la mujer tampoco pudo beneficiarse de la Ley de Ajuste Cubano, aunque era cubana por nacimiento.

Las leyes de inmigración son muy caprichosas y arbitrarias a veces, en casi todas partes.

Lo mas importante es que cuando hablemos de inmigrantes en Estados Unidos, lo pensemos dos veces, y estemos claros que todos somos inmigrantes, que solo unos llegaron primero que otros y que incluso los que podemos creer que llegaron después, quizás ya estaban aquí mucho antes de nosotros.

2010-04-20 08:20:33

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

YES WE CAN!!! My friends can’t get a driver lic, but they paid their taxes to Uncle SAM every year so they can be deported next day! So American citizens are not willing to pay their part but my undocumented friends are willing to go long! I LOVE AMERICA for that I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.

there is nothing in this bill about race its about security. this bill is forced on Arizona because the federal government will not up hold it constitutional duty and secure the boarders. in fact it will not even enforce the laws on the books. so we in Arizona must take action to protect our self from the drug lord and terrorist that are coming across the boarder and destroying our state. So if the Feds will not enforce the law we are forced to do so our self.

my advice to the 420,000 illegal’s in this state is leave know will the getting is good.

Yeah! Let’s kill everyone specially those who look brown and are working on my yard! Oh wait cheap labor! Don’t matters, but one thing cross my mind! Those who work for drug dealers carry semi-automatic and automatic weapons (made in the USA) and I don’t think they will clean my yard or do the maid service!

“Much violence is based on the illusion that life is a property to be defended and not to be shared.”

If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will.

Abraham Lincoln

I understand that the law is enforcing police officers to check undocumented people because many of these people are making wrong decisions here and doing things illegally. But what happens to the those who have been raised here and have kids here and have no bad record and have never committed a crime? families will be seperated, there will be no remorse, there will be heartbreaks, fear, and chaos. why cant those who are here on a good note, cant have a second chance?? there are many undocumented people who want to make america a better place n love this country. we got to think about the good and the bad people. SB 1070 needs to be vetoed! The Governor needs to find a better way to make things right. sb 1070 is a racist and unfair law!

Who the hell got here first?
No one in this country are Native Americans, all somehow got immigrate here from different parts of the word , so who are all these freaking ignorants have to pass a bill to get the police to stop people to ask for immigration papers, so how they would know who is or not citizens? that is against every one who is not WHITE. So I think this Governor is making a huge mistake.

I am against anything illegal, including illegal immigrants. However, this law is unconstitutional. People are free and innocent until proven guilty. This new law will make any non-caucasian person subject to be detained JUST BECAUSE they are not caucasian, whether they are Americans, or are in the US legal or illegally. I’m sorry Arizona lawmakers, that is nothing but racism, and violates the American Constitution. Arrest, send to jail, and even deport anyone committing crimes, that’s understandable, but do not make LOOKS/RACE a crime and reason for detention, even if this is a short term detention while checking if the detainee is in the US legally or illegally. Now, on another note, those saying that immigrants are terrorits really need to learn a bit about life!

Mr. Obama said the Arizona bill threatens “to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and our communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”

Umm, 1st the gov needs to gain the trust of law abiding citizens by enforcing laws against law breakers. After that, the police can work on gaining the trust of criminals… Is Obama REALLY this stupid or does he just pretend?

GOVERNMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. THEY MAKE A HUGE MISTAKE, AFFECTING THOUSANDS, THEN DECADES LATER THEY TRY TO MEND IT BY SAYING THEY’RE “VERY SORRY.” HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, BUT SADLY, THEY NEVER LEARN. LA IGNORANCIA E HIPOCRESIA QUE EXISTE EN ESTOS TIEMPOS ES REALMENTE SORPRENDENTE. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO TELL A PERSON IS ILLEGAL? DO THEY CARRY SOME KIND OF MARK OR WHAT? THIS IS RACIAL PROFILING…PERIOS. THE GOVERNOR CAN MAKE IT SOUND HOWEVER SHE WANTS, BUT THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE. THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE IN JEOPARDY. SAY NO TO SB 1070!!!

Already I have seen and heard violent racial outburst by neighbors in confrontation one Anglo and thinking he has the right know to ask if an African American is legal and has documents threatening him to call authority for no apparent reason. On the same day saw a man in our neighborhood waving a NAZI flag yelling at an underage African American boy! Does this seem right to people? Does this seem Moral or Religious in any kind of way from what this Country is founded on? This is crazy! This is an embarrassment to our State and Country! We should be very ashamed as Americans!

“Biblical outline of attitudes and resulting events that a nation commonly experiences during its existence. God blesses a nation, that nation becomes satisfied and develops pride, the nation begins to forget God and God brings judgment upon the nation in order that might remember, repent and return to God. If they do not remember God, he will bring destruction.”
-Cycle of Nations

“Your love must be real. Hate what is evil, and hold onto what is good. Love each other like brothers and sisters. Give each other more honor than you want yourselves.” Romans 12:9

so immigrants..?
immigrants are the people who make this country,
everyone in america has migrated someway, except the native indians,
whose land was taken away, like they did to us,Mexico.
but even though they took our land,we have been getting it back,step by step USA is becoming a country dominated by hispanics and immigrants. I do not understand what is the point of this bill, it is only creating violence and violating the human right. instead of asking who is illegal and who is not, why dont they ask what child is hungry and which one needs love? there are many things out there that are not being taken care of. Please stop this. We are humans not aliens, we are here to work, we are the ones who make your hamburgers and plant your trees, do you want to do it?
420,000 illegal people in Arizona wow, poor Arizona if they leave, we come here for a better life,we work, buy ourselves a car, we rent a house, wait! we rent a house, we are giving ,money, we are helping the economy! we have always heped the economy, and we are the biggest community that has helped the united states grow. Please think about this, Y TENEMOS QUE LUCHAR POR UNA REFORMA MIGRATORIA! SI SE PUEDE MI GENTE!

Monica, I had so much to say until i read your comment!!!!
Its nice to know theres alot of people out there w/brains, unlike the president and the Governor who think they know how to make America a better place by passing this law??? I too feel sorry for Arizona, it will become nothing w/out illegal immigrants! And for all those who think this is a good law, how sorry I feel for you, You dont realize how this will affect you too??? Just like the comments above, HELLO immigrants pay bills to, rent, food, entertainment, these ppl have cars..who need gas, insurance etc…they are buidling up the ecnonomy, and it doesn’t take a genius to realize that!!! Just a moron not to see! ohhhhh and btw…this ain’t over…we will fight to veto this law, just watch….

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