Seal of Alabama Last week, a US district judge in Alabama ruled on HB56, the anti-immigrant measure that allows police to detain anyone without documentation, and forces public schools to confirm every student’s immigration status.

The effects have been both immediate and devastating: schools across the state are already reporting many Hispanic children absent, for fear of their families’ undocumented statuses being discovered. Crops are rotting in the fields because of the sudden shortage of migrant workers. One local framer warned, “There won’t be no next growing season.”

The Center for American Progress compiled comments from business leaders, academics, legal experts and Alabamians on HB56. One of the most powerful responses came from Professor Silvia Giagnoni of Auburn University at Montgomery, who said:

“It is sadly ironic that the same day a federal judge upholds major sections of the Alabama immigration law — the most restrictive in the nation — the state also receives an ‘A’ on its educational work in teaching civil rights history. It’s ironic because this comes at a time when the most retrogressive forces in Alabama claim a victory, although it is unclear to me against whom.”

Congress’ decision not to act on the federal level and pass comprehensive immigration reform means that states like Arizona, Georgia, Indiana and Alabama can now legislate discrimination — and other states could soon follow their precedent. This moment must be used as a wake-up call for the entire country to rededicate ourselves to passing national reform. Keep checking the blog as we write more on how our movement is taking action.

UPDATE: A federal judge refused to block the law Wednesday afternoon. We will continue to update as more news comes in.

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  • Lanouveau

    If you pay taxes, you should be a citizen. Period. This IS a capitalist country, right? Reform the whole system to be simpler. Personally, I think this nation needs to be honest about the impact of illegal and migrant workers to the nation’s economy. Couching the issue in terms of the immorality of law-breaking ignores the history of non-enforcement that has encouraged illegal workers and also ignores the deep political and economic problems of Mexico. Basically, it has been advantageous to the US to have Mexico maintain its status quo, even if that means a flood of illegal immigration to the US. To stop illegal immigration, Mexico needs another revolution to reform its political and economic inequalities, but that is a very risky proposition for the US economy. Also, the real tragedy in this situation is the future of those children who grow up here, but never chose to break the law. Do we really want an undereducated work force to compete in the global economy? Think of the future.

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  • Good Lord people are stupid

    TO: I4Bama

    Actually I’ll preface this by stating that I disagree with virtually every one of your points, but I too appreciate the fact that we have the right to free speech!

    I realize these people have a reason for wanting to come here and a great many do it to make their lives better for themselves and their families. With that said, it doesn’t justify breaking the law to do it! Homeless people in this country are suffering, but it doesn’t justify them breaking into my house and becoming a squatter, now does it? This is really not much different.

    If these people fear for their lives then they can seek asylum or they can stand up against their own corrupt governments and demand change. They can be a part of taking control of their OWN country versus feeling entitled to break our laws and come here. Now IF they want to come here and are willing to do it the right and legal way, that is great and I support it 1000%; otherwise I support any and every law that holds them accountable for being the criminals that they are.

    You feel for them, since they are fearful of the criminals in their country, but yet you support them being a criminal in ours? A bit hypocritical isn’t it. A crime is a crime and coming here illegally is not only an economic issue, but also a HUGE national security issue, so you are welcome to continue to debate the issue with me, but it will not likely change my perspective.

    My suggestion is that you fight for our government to change our current immigration policies, if you want to be a part of positive change. Supporting criminals, for ANY reason, is exactly what the states are SICK of and is what is leading to these types of laws being passed. This is just the beginning my friend.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Actually I’ll preface this by stating that I disagree with virtually every one of your points, but I too appreciate the fact that we have the right to free speech!

    I realize these people have a reason for wanting to come here and a great many do it to make their lives better for themselves and their families. With that said, it doesn’t justify breaking the law to do it! Homeless people in this country are suffering, but it doesn’t justify them breaking into my house and becoming a squatter, now does it? This is really not much different.

    If these people fear for their lives then they can seek asylum or they can stand up against their own corrupt governments and demand change. They can be a part of taking control of their OWN country versus feeling entitled to break our laws and come here. Now IF they want to come here and are willing to do it the right and legal way, that is great and I support it 1000%; otherwise I support any and every law that holds them accountable for being the criminals that they are.

    You feel for them, since they are fearful of the criminals in their country, but yet you support them being a criminal in ours? A bit hypocritical isn’t it. A crime is a crime and coming here illegally is not only an economic issue, but also a HUGE national security issue, so you are welcome to continue to debate the issue with me, but it will not likely change my perspective.

    My suggestion is that you fight for our government to change our current immigration policies, if you want to be a part of positive change. Supporting criminals, for ANY reason, is exactly what the states are SICK of and is what is leading to these types of laws being passed. This is just the beginning my friend.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I am referring to ILLEGAL aliens. If you are unfamiliar with the term, you can simply take a moment to research it for yourself. As for people who work for cash, I am referring to the ones who work for well over the $600, but yet NOBODY reports it, typically because these people are here ILLEGALLY and don’t want to be caught! You do also know that those people are also breaking another law by not reporting their income, right? The employer doesn’t bear the sole responsibility, since people are perfectly able to work as sub contractors. I find it humorous that you claim to know what percentage of people work “under the table”; especially since they aren’t tracked, which is WHY it is “under the table”. I guess you are unfamiliar with the mafia or drug cartels that successfully move tremendous amounts of cash “under the radar”. lol

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Evidently you don’t get the real facts at all, whatever method of research you are doing. As for me, I research all avenues and then fact check for myself, because I am smart enough to know that people post all sorts of things that are incorrect. Before you stoop to insulting me, you might want to actually have something factual and valuable to offer. Just a thought…

  • I4bama

    I am not justifying or disguising Illegals, they have their reasons why they did it, economical, social, safety, etc. if I was in their shoes, and it’s going to put food on my table I will probably do the same! it’s called “Survival”. You and I are blessed to be part of this Great Country, and I, must, respect everyone’s point of view, that is what makes this country great! freedom of speech! but just for a few minutes, place yourself in these people shoes, what if I was on their country where the mafia has threatened my life, has raped my wife, have killed my brother, but then I get the opportunity to find a safer place and I migrate to another place where it’s safe, and I can improve myself, etc…. There’s two sides to every problem. I used to see things just like you do, but when I got to see both sides I started to say thank you for the blessings, because I will hate to be in their shoes… And the solution is not HB 56

  • I4bama

    when you say “illegals” are you refering to aliens or to everyone in general because I know a lot of people who work for cash, babysitters, day-laborers… are they consider illegal? if I was to pay you cash for a day’s worth for watching my dog, would you turn it down? Probably not! specially if the money is good! any earnings over $600 must be reported, so yes there is people paid under the table, but is a very small percentage, It’s the employer duty to report his earnings and losses, so there’s just so much cash you can move under the radar or “the table”

  • I4bama

    I am sorry, but I don’t get facts from the Internet… Or the media! Do a little more research and then talk to me…

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Prisoners wouldn’t be doing ALL the jobs that illegals are doing, just agricultural, if the positions needed filling. There are a tremendous amount of other jobs that would open up from fast food to retail and a variety of things in between. The law is also not only about jobs, but also about the millions of dollars that the illegals cost the state in healthcare and other expenses.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I don’t understand your question. Yes, prisoners are real criminals, so what is the point? They are not “taking” jobs that we want available, they would be filling any agricultural jobs that needed filling and weren’t filled otherwise.

    Just an FYI, not everyone in this country pays taxes. Illegals working for cash wages “under the table” don’t report their incomes; therefore they do not pay payroll taxes, Social security or medicare taxes. This is, of course, unless they are using a fake ID and are having taxes taken out; however they won’t get the Social security or medicare, because they are using ILLEGAL documents to work, because they are BREAKING OUR LAWS TO BE HERE. Does that make enough sense for you? Honestly, your post is nearly incomprehensible. You should proof read your posts to ensure that people have at least a vague idea what you are saying.

  • Lionlgr

    Taking prisioners to do the job is not going to lower the unemploymet rate, isn’t that what this law is about.

  • Lionelgr23

    So,aren’t the prisioners real criminals?, or is ok if they take the jobs you want so bad, and when they are avaliable no legal that is no ” criminal” whants to do with the argument that the pay is to low. You have to understand that if farmers pay more then they have to sell their product for a higer price, that means me, you. And all consumers. Every body pays taxes in the us. Legal or not, the difference is that iligal can’t get the benefits, like social security, unemployment and more, so legal’s are the ones using the money that is taken out of their cheks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lindseysenterprises Ernest Lindsey

    If you are here ILLEGALLY, you have NO rights !! However, all NC residents 16 yo & up (for more than 30 years) have had to have a state issued picture ID/DL. And Federal Law (from the same era) allowed LAW Officers to “Stop & Frisk” not empty your pockets, just a quick pat down to ensure the officers safety while talking to you! I believe it was called a TERRY stop ?? and Fed & state law allows ANYONE to arrest /detain a fleeing FELON (including the use of Lethal Force!!) {YOU BETTER BE SURE THEY ARE A FELON!!!} Now with the Patriot act the constition is gutted!! They don’t even have to have probable cause anymore!!!
    What about roadblocks to check DLs, Seatbelts.. Etc.. I have several Friends of Mexican descent, they are hard working, GOOD people!!! One friends Dad took over 14 years to get his ENTIRE family here LEGALLY and they feel ILLEGAL aliens are “jumping to the front of the line” I am an American who can’t get healthcare because I don’t have Kids, I can’t get a lot of jobs because I’m not bi-lingual.. Welcome to America IF YOU ARE LEGAL, otherwise as Ted Nuget puts it “You can turn around and get the HELL Out!!!”

  • Baileydenicia

    Maybe we all need to go back to where we came from and give the land back to the Indians. You are a very ignorant individual, no one should judge these people until they have walked a mile in these peoples shoes.

  • Lalong1966

    I know many farmers, here in Bama, personally. Their crops are NOT rotting… LOL… someone probably exagerated because they are mad because now they will have to pay someone a decent wage to work the crops.instead of hiring illegals to work cheap. I would be very careful what you read on the internet… seriously. People will lie to further their cause… LOL… Before you are so fast to agree with an article, you might wanna check it out yourself and talk to people in those fields… otherwise, you sound completely ignorant.

  • Lalong1966

    It is NOT difficult to obtain a green card in this country, no matterwhere you are from. I know many peoplefrom Mexico, spain, canada, greece, israel, iraq, europe, china, japan, nepal, on and on. The process is very simple, so simple, a 13 yr old could do it. The forms can be downloaded for FREE from uscis.gov. Total cost for the forms to be sent in shouldbe under $3000.00 total. Youcan do it yourslf without a lawyer.the entire process should takeabout 3 months from the timeyou mailthem in to the interview.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Cmoore3736-

    Well stated!

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Oh, and I respect your opinions, not because we agree on so many points, but because you show that you have taken the time to educate yourself, which most do not do these days!

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Cmoore3736-

    An interstate compact would be fabulous. I just don’t know if there are enough politicians willing to stick their neck out enough to pursue it. In time, I believe they will, but they are waiting for more states to show support. They are also politicians, which means that they are all fearful of how their decisions will affect their re-elections. I’m just proud of the states that have been willing to step up and take a stand against this problem.

    It appears that you and I agree about basically all of the issues. I think the biggest thing that we are lacking is accountability. That is what these states are trying to finally do, which is hold the illegals accountable for breaking the law that the federal government won’t enforce. Reagan’s solution was amnesty and that did not work, so anyone who suggests it at this point is simply searching for a way to appease the illegals who are here, because it is easier than fighting them. I come from the philosophy that nothing worth doing is easy!

    I also acknowledge that illegals are comprised of all different nationalities, not just Hispanic; however the influx if illegals coming through our southern border is our immediate problem. If our immigration laws were as harsh as Mexico’s, we wouldn’t have this problem to begin with!

    I am tired of the humanity argument that we are to allow them to come here in search of a better life for themselves and their families. If that was the case, they could do it LEGALLY and I would support it. How can it be the case when most of them hang their national flags up and scream how they are proud of their home country, all the while sending billions of dollars back to that country to support their families, while milking our country of all of the services that they can get. Our system is broken, I’ll admit that, but breaking our laws is NOT the solution.

    With all that said, I see you noted that we are a republic, which is refreshing, since most either forgot it or weren’t educated about it. Most also don’t respect our constitution or what it means. I’m glad that you do.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I have already addressed this question in a previous reply to you. I will not waste my time by doing it again. Why don’t you refrain from posting another reply to me and do some research for yourself. Education is power my friend.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I4bama – I think Cmoore3736 expressed themselves quite well, but if you need more evidence, research it for yourself. Nobody provided the information for me, because I am not lazy and sitting here expecting someone to do so. Educate yourself. That should be something you aspire to do anyway. The facts are all over the place and the states that are sick and tired of paying the way of the illegals are passing legislation to STOP IT. You should be prepared for many many more states to follow suit as well! We, as a nation of LEGAL citizens, are tired of providing a free ride and are speaking out, which is why our state legislators are doing their jobs to pass these laws! Honey, this isn’t just my opinion, it is the opinion of the majority of American citizens!

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Cmoore3736- they won’t likely answer your question. They do not appear to be one that appreciates or respects that we have laws, with the exception of when those laws benefit them personally.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    First, I’ll note that you are a bit arrogant to assume that I give a damn whether you determine if I am stupid or not. With that said, genius, do you truly mean migrate or immigrate? There is a difference, you know, Or maybe you don’t.

    I can’t tell you why so many want to immigrate here illegally, just to disrespect our nation and still call themselves citizens of the country that they came from. If they are so proud, then why come here? Can you answer that? Can you tell me why they come here to work (taking jobs from U.S. citizens) and then send billions of dollars back to their home countries? How about why they come here pregnant, just to have their baby here, so that their medical care will be paid for and their child will be considered a U.S. citizen? Why don’t they come here legally IF they truly want to be Americans?

    The REAL immigrants are those that come here and learn our culture and language, not because they HAVE to, but because they WANT to. They are the ones who want a better life for themselves and their families and are willing to work VERY hard to achieve that goal. They are proud to say that they came here LEGALLY and created that better life. They are NOT the ones living like parasites off of our government and MY tax dollars.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Difficult maybe, but it is the ONLY legal way to come here…period. Do it right or go back to where you came from. There should be NO other option!

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I have plenty of facts, because I too can search the internet and do research. You have a very high opinion of yourself if you believe that you are the only “keeper of knowledge” in this debate. In Georgia, it has been estimated that the nearly 1 million illegals cost the state 2 million dollars each year. That is what led the state to pass legislation to enforce the federal illegal immigration laws. This is obviously what Alabama has chosen to do as well.

    No matter how you choose to disguise it or justify it, being her ILLEGALLY is breaking our federal laws and if the federal government isn’t willing to step up to enforce it, the states CAN and WILL do it! This is just the beginning, so you might want to prepare yourself!

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    Maiza,

    I didn’t say it wasn’t difficult to get citizenship here, but if you want to be here, there is only ONE way to do it, which is LEGALLY. If you can’t get here that way, don’t come. Are you advocating breaking the law knowingly?

  • Cmoore3736

    Lets stick to current history and not try to correct all the ills of the world.

    I will agree that most Americans have a shorter view of “current” history than many others from other countries, but could we agree to keeping history prior to the creation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) of 1952 out of this discussion?

    For those who don’t want to Google it, the INA first codified a variety of US laws and statutes into one structure. Public law 82-414 has been amended many times but is still the basics of current US immigration law.

    Proper terms wouldn’t hurt either.

    As many in this line of comments has said: racism isn’t the problem here. Latino is not even a race, per se. There are five basic races: caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid, capoid and australoid. I am a mix of two of those: caucasoid (mediterranean) and mongoloid (amerindian). Latino is a mix of three: caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid. Physical characteristics differed within each mix even within siblings of the same mix. “Latino” as used by many is a culture not a race.

    For those not wanting to split hairs or correct their use of slang, I will concede that preventing fear of those different from ourselves (whether that fear is based on skin color – often perceived of as an indication of race, religious creed, language, dress code or just a willingness of others to be courteous to those we ask to police our roads or respond to our questions) requires a better education and a more courteous upbring than is usually afforded in many of our public schools, my our families and in our churches. Especially if “they” have been stereotyped as “threatening” by the media.

  • Cmoore3736

    Asking for my ID is not against my civil-liberty. Few in this country don’t carry some kind of federal or state ID and those who don’t (maybe the Amish?), will have an easy way to prove they are not here illegally. There is no federal or state ID issued to prove I’m a US citizen. Not even a US Passport is considered that in this country.

    You obviously have not lived outside the US where staying in a hotel at night requires you to surrender your passport!

    Once again, our laws, values and social luxuries are being used against us. Anywhere but in the US, this would not be an issue.

  • Cmoore3736

    Answer me one question: why do we have laws?

  • Cmoore3736

    Most Native Americans first helped those who did not violate their own cultures or ideas of right and wrong. But if (when) you stole my corn, I did not invite you to a Norm Rockwell “Thanksgiving Dinner.” If (when)you killed one of my men or stole my women, children or crop from me, I went to your courts to seek redress. If I was denied a fair response, I killed the man who killed mine, took back my women and children and your crop to replace mine. Few held it against me — while I was a Native American in early 15th and 16th century NE USA, that is.

  • Cmoore3736

    See my comments to “Good Lord people are stupid” above. That’s how.

    PS: I’m Native American. One point of difference between what happened to my family and my ancestors and what’s happening to my family and country now —

    Those who settled on 20th century US borders in 1500, 1600, 1700 or 1800 and most of 1900, or those who came to build railroads or kill buffalo or “Indians” in the great push westward under the “imminent domain” argument (otherwise called land greed) did so before the US had personal and corporate tax structures to pay for all the social support we built in the 19th and 20th centuries by well intented, socially minded citizens well grounded in religious morals. Unfortunately, we as US citizens have now come to expect as our “right” this social minded safety net built for those less fortunate or for those who failured to or who were unable to provide for themselves and the children they chose to have. Programs intended to help those who were physically or mentally impaired, defeated by an “act of God” or who could not make sound business decisions.

    Some of these programs helped sustain our national strength (education reform, child labor reforms) and fiscal balance of payments through the sale of US Treasuries (such as the current Social Security Trust Fund); others have helped us become less industrious and more of a welfare state (such as tax credits for babies while the population soars beyond our fiscal growth); still others have made us more “fine-print” oriented to avoid paying expected taxes or bearing responsibilities for our own actions (including building an industry of frivolous lawsuits unlike any other nation in the world!).

    Now that we have populated the blazes out of the land between all four of our borders, we have pushed ourselves into the position of requiring fiscal responsibility at local, state and federal levels. Like it or not, that requires a serious relook at those who 1- violate our laws, 2- use loop-holes in our laws to receive benefits they could be earning or don’t want to earn, 3- avoid taxes but receive federally mandated benefits (corporate, personal, state or federal), 4- receive benefits paid for by others (illegally here or not), and 5- tolerate those who can work but chose not to work when welfare or prisons systems give them a “higher quality of life” at minimal cost to their own pocket or chosed lifestyle.

    ILLEGALS IMMIGRANTS ONLY DO SOME OF THIS. US CITIZENS do a lot of this!

    BUT we must address ALL of these if we are to turn our country around. We have looked the other way when corporate greed, laziness and low prices have led us to tolerate the illegals, but now that our government has more or less crashed our economy and created high unemployment with its trade, banking, and tax decisions, we cannot be so generous or lax in upholding our own laws. If we ignore (or forgive) the costs associated with those who break our laws just to be here (or with the companies that hire them), while at the same time re-working our laws, federal agencies, budgets and national priorities to provide less to US citizens, we are fighting a losing battle with our future.

    I hate to tell some folks this, but capitalism, while building the best wealth engine around for states and countries, has as its downside the fact that some people don’t become millionaires or even homeowners – but if we all try, we all become more than we would have been if we didn’t try at all and lived off the socialmindedness of others. If you want what I’ve got, become a US CITIZEN; if you are a US CITIZEN, be a politically, economically and morally engaged US CITIZEN!!

  • Cmoore3736

    I like your point about several states trying to find a find a solution to the illegal immigration costs and problems in their states. I’m wondering why these states (like AZ, GA, UT, IN, SC and now AL) have not pursued an Interstate Compact (http://apps.csg.org/ncic) to define and put into compact and state law their collective solutions (they don’t have to share a border to do that, you know). When a state like AL passes laws like HB 56 it is after much debate, consternation and frustration concerning the impacts on the citizens of that state and the state’s costs in dealing with the ramifications of illegal immigrants, high health care and education costs, and high unemployment costs. When all three are high, the State has major fiscal problems.

    If the states have been thwarted by the federal judicial system overturning parts of or all of these state laws, then Interstate Compacts should be their next viable option. Becaue the US Constitution is a compact made between all the states and because the US is a REPUBLIC of federal and state political governments, federal courts have upheld that InterSTATE Compacts trump the federal compact with these states (ie federal laws in support of the federal compact – the US Constitution). We have a solid political precedent for redressing the federal inaction on illegal immigration. Maybe we should encourage our State officials to use it? (providing of course that state governors of differing parties can work together better at the state level than they obviously don’t at the federal level!)

    Now that Alabama has seen the reaction to HB56, they also know which businesses have been hiring illegal immigrants. That is yet series of laws on US and state books that can put significant money in State coffers through fines. IF the business was enticed to come into the state to provide jobs and didn’t hire US citizens, then that business violated the agreement and should be fined heavily enough to pay the State for all payroll taxes they would have received plus a significant fine for the intent to and subsequent defrauding of the state agreement. (Tyson has been in the press before when it came to who they chose to hire – saw them mentioned on TV.) The areas around these businesses usually have a sudden spurt in substantard housing. That opens the door to other state health and construction violations as does questionable safety practices that might be against state laws that mirror OSHA standards.

    As for the illegal immigrants “paying their fair share in local taxes” argument – show me where the illegal immigrant community is paying the costs of 1. policing our streets against street gangs of unemployeed youth (illegal or not), 2. policing and closing “businesses” that invest in identify theft to steal those IDs, fake social security numbers, birth certificates, etc., that support the illegal community and lower their risks to be here and work here, 3. paying state expenses to hire teachers, EMTs, 911 operators, firemen (and women) and police now EXPECTED and sometimes REQUIRED to be bi-lingual (believe me, state sales taxes and corporation taxes don’t exactly cover these bills much less that and the state’s portion of MEDICAID and “free-health clinic” bills), 4. reimbursing state costs for health care, especially emergency health care, for those not covered who are also illegal immigrants, and 5. higher insurance rates, state fees and medical rates for the rest of us who worked all of our lives expecting the government would be solvent enough to honor their compacts with us only to find those who are not citizens are diverting assets away from the state budgets in direct and indirect costs?

    PS: I am also one of those who does not believe all illegal immigrants are Latinos immigrants. It just happens to be a current problem that many right now are Latinos… Latinos who come with the tact permission of their governments south of our border who benefit substantially from the earnings of illegals working here who are sending money home.

    When we don’t have a solid federal position supported by strong federal actions on illegal immigration, we are tying our own hands when trying to negotiate other international agreements with Mexico and Canada – like those dealing with drug trafficking, human trafficking, “coyotee” and deportation incarceration agreements, insurance rates and fees for truckers and rail cars traveling through the US enroute to Canada, and border jumpers who come primarily for critical health care and OB-GYN care. We must have a strong federal position on all our laws to be respected; show a weakness for one area and we lose at the negotiating table for all other areas.

    As for illegal children brought in by parents before they were old enough to know right from wrong, they should be deported with their parents – at the cost of the country that did not enforce their own laws that allowed the illegal crossing into the US. (debit it from any US federal balance of payments we owe that government. If other countries passed people through their country to get to the US, they can pass the bill along for subsequent reimbursement.) After they know right from wrong, they are complicite in their parents actions. No sympathy here.

    After 18, they are illegals by choice or, if born here of illegal parents, they are US citizen by birth (until an Interstate compact says otherwise or the US Constitution is changed). They don’t have to tell anyone their parents’ immigration status to get a social security number, drivers license, go to school, etc. IF they stay undocumented, that is also their choice and comes with repercussions, as all choices do. I suggest they start this process when they enroll as sophomores in HS and are still enrolled by federal mandate in our schools.

  • I4bama

    Show me the facts!

  • I4bama

    Also, show me the facts on how is that they are milking our system dry?

  • I4bama

    Hey Good Lord people are stupid… prove me you are not stupid and answer a simple question: Why do people migrate?

  • I4bama

    Pursue Citizenship! Immigration law is very difficult.

  • I4bama

    The “fact” is that most of this people pay taxes just like you and I, wether is a fake SSN or a real TIN (Anybody can get a TIN)they are paying, but they cannot file at the end of the year, so they don’t get a return, and we are talking about 56 billion dollars that the irs have collected from fake SSN’s and it’s a fact. and so you know money makes money and the government is making lots of money with 50 + billion, actually that money is paying for a lot of people’s retirements! and it’s a fact! they pay sales tax just like you and I. They are consumers!. If it was easy to come here legally, I know they will, but is very difficult to get a visa for most of this people! About the prisoners… it has been tried already… exchanging hours: the more hours they work in the fields=less time in prison, and a lot of prisoners decided that it was much better stay in prison watching TV and a cool A/C. I will agree with you about a better way to control the problem, maybe with some kind of Temporary work program, at their cost, not us! without a path to citizenship or residency. then obviously with this authorization to work they will be paying taxes just like you and I, and if they need to drive, well hello, they will have to pay for a DL just like you and I, Insurance, tag renewal fees, etc… and this equals to revenue $$$, Housing… more rents more revenue… and I can go on and on.

    But to be fair, the only benefits they are entitled are medical attention such as child birth, ER, and Disaster relief. They can’t get Food Stamps, because you have to show a federal Identification in order to obtain these benefits, they can’t use a fake SSN.

    Out of 4.7 million people in AL, there is about 250 thousand immigrants out of that amount almost 145 thousand are here illegally, cost to deport one person = 12,500 usd dollars, tax payer dollars, let’s say we deport them all = 1.7 billion, ouch! I don’t want to pay for that… Do you? So, if we are going to talk “Facts” then I got the “Facts” In your case I don’t think you Have Them!!! and for the rest of you all, don’t feel stupid, at least Y’all have a humanistic point of view that is not just about legal rights but, human rights…

  • Mrotzawa

    Did you read what you wrote? Come on, the people who have the money can afford to take the luxury vacations and they can afford to pay legal immigrants to do the landscaping and legal immigrants to take care of the children, we are just talking about the illegal people here from any country. We are not discriminating!

  • Mrotzawa

    Then maybe the farmer should pay a descent wage and the people who are here legally will want to work for him.

  • Mrotzawa

    The state is not working to get rid of immigrants, it working to fix the wrong of the illegal immigrants who are here illegally. They cannot call themselves migrant workers anymore because they just don”t go home, I am looking into this because I am going to start the same petition here in the state of Washington, We are having problems now that the hispanics don’t want to work in the fields anymore, why should they? The state hands them money so now we have the illegals here that don’t want to work in the agricultural field. Save us the work and just go back to the countries that you came from and then come back the legal way, that is what an immigrant would do!

  • Maureencorona

    AMEN……..

  • Maiza

    I’m sorry but you are totally incorrect, to become a resident or a citizen of this county for people from Mexico or Central America is near to impossible.

  • Good Lord people are stupid

    I agree that there is some gray area with how to handle the children who are here illegally, but I disagree with giving supporting them in their educations and just turning a blind eye to the laws that were disregarded. Once those kids were old enough to know that they were here illegally, they were old enough to determine that the right thing to do would be to pursue citizenship. If they are doing that, then absolutely help them; otherwise treat them as any other person who is illegally in this country. Remember that their parents made this choice for them, not the U.S.! The parents are criminals, because federal laws states that you must be here with proper documentation or it is a federal offense. That makes them criminals whether they are drug dealers or not!