Comments on: “Jesus Was a Refugee”: Conservative Christians Speak Out for Reform http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/ FOR families, FOR workers, FOR immigrants, FOR everyone Sat, 12 May 2012 03:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tyson Birrittella http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-17461 Tyson Birrittella Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:27:16 +0000 http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/?p=2032#comment-17461 I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives great information ''" I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives great information ””

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]]> By: Juan http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1296 Juan Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:12:15 +0000 http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/?p=2032#comment-1296 How ignorant are posters who make broad assumptions and generalize. All immigrants that I know are just what this country need, hardworking, moral and responsible human beings. They are not stealing jobs but the opposite; they are giving much more for the pay they are getting. They all pay taxes and use far less (if any) federal assistance (which would not make up for the exploitation many of them go thru). Also many loudmouths are using confusing rhetoric like "Legal" VS "Illegal" immigration, to polarize and further their hidden agenda. Immigration in the current system is a gray area, not black and white as in Legal or Illegal (which is easier to digest by the common folk not close to the issue). I have being here for 30 years always paid taxes, never used any federal assistance, luckily always being offered a better job, never had to look for one, even started business that employ US citizens. Most of people that I know had given the best referrals from me and my family as deserving citizens with the moral, ethical and Christian values under which this nation was formed. Now to the center of all this debate about reform, I still don't have a permanent residence card. I hold a work permit, renewed every year (illegal? legal?, either way I'm stuck with not knowing if tomorrow I'll be sent back to a now unfamiliar country where I spent fewer years than here. My kids are born US citizens the older, a gifted student doing lots of things for her community/country. Up until now, no resolution to my case and without reform I may be forced out of this country, out of our home and business after 30 years. Despite all of these years of service to this country, I don’t have the rights that citizens or even permanent residents have. I can’t go back to my country of origin to see my mother or even the funeral of my father in law, can’t vote, I pay 5 times higher property taxes than my neighbors, pay tons of money in immigration attorneys etc. I’m also not an exceptional case, there are 100's of thousands of cases similar to mine, you tell me what is Just and Unjust, Legal or Illegal. We need a reform to this broken system. "Legal Immigration" is just the label, the rhetoric used to propagate xenophobia on people ignorant on the details or only exposed to a single point of view. How do you define “Legal Immigration” to people that by many generations have come here to build this nation? My grandfather was recruited in his own town by American companies to come and work to this country, they even paid for his transportation, he left a life of hard work to later comeback without any additional benefit to the country he was born. My father came to work too and was welcomed by his employers here when he was young. Most of immigrants that come here don’t do it to do something “Illegal” (oh yeah let’s commit a crime) by the contrary , they come to give every drop of sweat for this country, they/we give so much more than what we possibly could take away. Again this is not the exception but the rule. There are a few bad apples too but don’t use them as the only examples to promote your xenophobia. How ignorant are posters who make broad assumptions and generalize. All immigrants that I know are just what this country need, hardworking, moral and responsible human beings. They are not stealing jobs but the opposite; they are giving much more for the pay they are getting. They all pay taxes and use far less (if any) federal assistance (which would not make up for the exploitation many of them go thru).
Also many loudmouths are using confusing rhetoric like “Legal” VS “Illegal” immigration, to polarize and further their hidden agenda. Immigration in the current system is a gray area, not black and white as in Legal or Illegal (which is easier to digest by the common folk not close to the issue). I have being here for 30 years always paid taxes, never used any federal assistance, luckily always being offered a better job, never had to look for one, even started business that employ US citizens. Most of people that I know had given the best referrals from me and my family as deserving citizens with the moral, ethical and Christian values under which this nation was formed. Now to the center of all this debate about reform, I still don’t have a permanent residence card. I hold a work permit, renewed every year (illegal? legal?, either way I’m stuck with not knowing if tomorrow I’ll be sent back to a now unfamiliar country where I spent fewer years than here. My kids are born US citizens the older, a gifted student doing lots of things for her community/country. Up until now, no resolution to my case and without reform I may be forced out of this country, out of our home and business after 30 years. Despite all of these years of service to this country, I don’t have the rights that citizens or even permanent residents have. I can’t go back to my country of origin to see my mother or even the funeral of my father in law, can’t vote, I pay 5 times higher property taxes than my neighbors, pay tons of money in immigration attorneys etc. I’m also not an exceptional case, there are 100′s of thousands of cases similar to mine, you tell me what is Just and Unjust, Legal or Illegal. We need a reform to this broken system. “Legal Immigration” is just the label, the rhetoric used to propagate xenophobia on people ignorant on the details or only exposed to a single point of view.
How do you define “Legal Immigration” to people that by many generations have come here to build this nation? My grandfather was recruited in his own town by American companies to come and work to this country, they even paid for his transportation, he left a life of hard work to later comeback without any additional benefit to the country he was born. My father came to work too and was welcomed by his employers here when he was young. Most of immigrants that come here don’t do it to do something “Illegal” (oh yeah let’s commit a crime) by the contrary , they come to give every drop of sweat for this country, they/we give so much more than what we possibly could take away. Again this is not the exception but the rule. There are a few bad apples too but don’t use them as the only examples to promote your xenophobia.

]]> By: Techno Dan http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1121 Techno Dan Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:30:52 +0000 http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/?p=2032#comment-1121 Excuse me, "Undocumented Immigrants" are not refugees; they are like what Jesus warned about - theives that break in and steal. They are not invited and all they do is take jobs and/or social services that should be for Americans and legal residents ONLY. When faced with punishment for a serious crime, they often shirk responsibility and flee across our southern border. How "Christlike" is that? I could say so much more, but I'll only say one more thing - instead of Catholic priests molesting children (apparently that work is now beneath them), we now have illegal aliens to take their place, and they seem to be doing a very good job of it, so far! Techno Dan Excuse me, “Undocumented Immigrants” are not refugees; they are like what Jesus warned about – theives that break in and steal. They are not invited and all they do is take jobs and/or social services that should be for Americans and legal residents ONLY. When faced with punishment for a serious crime, they often shirk responsibility and flee across our southern border. How “Christlike” is that?

I could say so much more, but I’ll only say one more thing – instead of Catholic priests molesting children (apparently that work is now beneath them), we now have illegal aliens to take their place, and they seem to be doing a very good job of it, so far!

Techno Dan

]]> By: Jay Dalton http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-901 Jay Dalton Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:01:51 +0000 http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/?p=2032#comment-901 Jesus was a refugee. Illegal Immigrants are NOT refugees. For God's sake, how far will you go. Comparing ILLEGAL immigrants in any way shape or form to Jesus, or to refer to them as refugees is absurd. Strict Immigration laws are necessary to avoid chaos, and maintain security. Immigration is fine. Do it LEGALLY and at a pace that this country can deal with the implications. Jesus was a refugee. Illegal Immigrants are NOT refugees.
For God’s sake, how far will you go. Comparing ILLEGAL immigrants
in any way shape or form to Jesus, or to refer to them as refugees
is absurd.

Strict Immigration laws are necessary to avoid chaos, and maintain security.

Immigration is fine. Do it LEGALLY and at a pace that this country can
deal with the implications.

]]> By: Debra Guenterberg http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/blog/%e2%80%9cjesus-was-a-refugee%e2%80%9d-conservative-christians-speak-out-for-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-897 Debra Guenterberg Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:35:19 +0000 http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/?p=2032#comment-897 Jesus may have been a refuge but he certainly didn't use someone's SSN to work and obtain credit. If our country needs the illegal aliens then give assign to them a personal identifier. Let them use the ITIN number they apply from the IRS to file their illegally earned income. Let them work with the ITIN number since they can already file taxes with a W2 with their name and an American's SSN on it. Let them even buy homes with a W2 with their name and ITIN. At least then they are not buying a SSN on the streets that maybe a real American's SSN on it. Better yet, let them come out of the shadows, assign them an ITIN number and make them pay to stay or work in our country. Then the government can let the illegal aliens pay into the system. Don't let them collect SSA benefits or food stamps. Make employers keep a list and make them report all illegal aliens they hire to Homeland Security, ICE and the Department of Labor. How about that! Then I can stop calling them illegal aliens, our federal government does not have to call them "undocumented workers". Above all, I won't have some illegal alien using a W2 with my SSN on it to screw up the SSA and IRS data bases. Then the illegal alien can't get a home loan or other credit with MT SSN. Make it a law that the IRS and SSA have to pay me restitution when they keep collecting taxes from an illegal alien working with their name and MT SSN. I guess the illegals don't want to come out of shadows, they just want to buy our SSN and not have to be held accountable for all the debt they occur using it. They simply go buy another SSN after they get caught using a fraudulent one. New SSN, new credit report, new debts, where does one buy a new SSN after they use yours up??? Jesus may have been a refuge but he certainly didn’t use someone’s SSN to work and obtain credit. If our country needs the illegal aliens then give assign to them a personal identifier. Let them use the ITIN number they apply from the IRS to file their illegally earned income. Let them work with the ITIN number since they can already file taxes with a W2 with their name and an American’s SSN on it. Let them even buy homes with a W2 with their name and ITIN. At least then they are not buying a SSN on the streets that maybe a real American’s SSN on it. Better yet, let them come out of the shadows, assign them an ITIN number and make them pay to stay or work in our country. Then the government can let the illegal aliens pay into the system. Don’t let them collect SSA benefits or food stamps. Make employers keep a list and make them report all illegal aliens they hire to Homeland Security, ICE and the Department of Labor. How about that! Then I can stop calling them illegal aliens, our federal government does not have to call them “undocumented workers”. Above all, I won’t have some illegal alien using a W2 with my SSN on it to screw up the SSA and IRS data bases. Then the illegal alien can’t get a home loan or other credit with MT SSN. Make it a law that the IRS and SSA have to pay me restitution when they keep collecting taxes from an illegal alien working with their name and MT SSN. I guess the illegals don’t want to come out of shadows, they just want to buy our SSN and not have to be held accountable for all the debt they occur using it. They simply go buy another SSN after they get caught using a fraudulent one. New SSN, new credit report, new debts, where does one buy a new SSN after they use yours up???

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